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10 November 2005 @ 09:46 pm
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I'll start us off with this bone.

When Akio breaks the sword on the Rose Gate, he says that yet another sword failed to open it. He tells Utena that the seal can no longer be broken because the Prince's sword is broken. Utena manages to open the gate with her tears. What does this progression symbolize about what it means to save Anthy and revolutionize the world, and what it means to be a true prince?

Juri chooses the moment when the Student Council is talking about Utena representing the Duelists to talk about a boy who had died saving her sister, and about how both she and her sister had forgotten his name by then. This is right when Utena is stabbed in the back. Anthy takes the swords of hate for Akio, martyring herself even though he is no longer Dios. The world is angry because it lost its self-sacrificing prince; its anger has turned to hate. At the end of the show, the vast majority of the academy has forgotten Utena, a former idol. So, what is the common message about martyrdom and heroes? Do they truly remain immortal?
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Keiichikeichisfuuma on November 11th, 2005 05:45 pm (UTC)
Oh Utena
Woah, these are some amazing questions Lauren. I want to think more about theem and then will get back to you. its too early for this in depth of thought. ...oh its almost 11...Still to early.
Mari: Don't Forget - elystiakaitou_marina on November 12th, 2005 06:39 am (UTC)
Utena manages to open the gate with her tears.

At the risk of sounding ridiculously sappy, this says to me that the compassionate tears (thus, feelings) of a friend can do more for a revolution than steel ever could. There are, of course, many ways of interpreting the revolution, so I won't try to force a viewpoint here. I have my own idea, but I'm curious about others.

As for the second one, I have always had this pet theory that the "something eternal" Dios showed Utena that day he got her to rise up out of the coffin was actually eternal suffering. I think he showed her that suffering is eternal, unless a hero intervenes. At this point, Utena decided to become a "hero" by wanting to become a Prince. In this way, it is almost as if the series is saying that heroes are eternal because suffering is eternal. Wherever there is suffering, eventually a hero will always rise up to end it.

In one of my liberal studies classes, we discussed what it meant to be a hero. Largely, the state of being a hero didn't lie in who remembered the hero, but rather in the mental process the hero themselves went through. To be a hero means to realize that there is no difference between human beings and God. That is why someone can selflessly throw themselves in front of a bullet for someone else. In that instant, they had no fear of death, because they had broken that barrier between God and humans and become God again. In a way, perhaps Utena's disappearance at the end of the TV series could be symbolic of the shattering of this barrier.

That, however, leads into an entire other set of theories that I have that run into the movie, so I think I'll shut up now XD

Pay no attention to that crazy rambling Utena fangirl in the corner. Hi, thanks for letting me join. I'm a huge, huge, huge, freaking huge fan of Utena, but never got around to getting into the actual fandom. Thank you for welcoming me <3
Dr. Bad Touch: I'll go my way no turning backtrenchkamen on November 12th, 2005 11:28 pm (UTC)
I had never heard the 'god' theory or heroism, but I rather like it. I'll have to look further into that.

Hey, welcome! There can never be enough fangirls.
AthenAltena: juriathenaltena on April 29th, 2006 01:08 am (UTC)
Wow. Nice start to the community. I believe that Utena's ability to open it was showing that she was the real prince and had the pure intentions Akio had lost. I think Juri's talk about the boy who had saved her sister and how he had been forgotten was foreshadowing to what was about to happen. I think this was used to say both "no good deed goes unpunished" as well as "doing something good for someone else does not earn you infamy." The message about heroes seems to be that heroes come and go, and almost always sacrifice a great deal. This shows both the dangers of being a hero as well as why they should be honored in the way that they are.